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Forum posts for PC vs. Mac

Posted by fanoom on Feb 01, 2010
I can't really give you an honest opinion either way, just a little advice. Research, research, research the PC Laptop. I always found that without alot of actual physical interaction with a laptop your decision can be a little skewed.

Flimsy hinges can make working on a laptop a pain, keyboards that aren't responsive enough to your touch can be a pain, a mouse pad that maybe has a little delay, or doesn't have the double touch function can be annoying. I'm pretty picky when it comes to periphials, and I honestly think every consumer should be that way. You're buying a computer that you basically can't upgrade.

I've never been a fan of Mac's, but that's just me.

I've also only have heard good things about Win 7.

We run HP's at work, and these particular PC's are hunks of shit compared to my home computer (not a fair comparison).

Posted by Nerhael on Feb 01, 2010
I'm personally pretty anti mac, mainly just because so few of the things I like to do on a computer are supported properly. The applications I prefer don't exist on Macs, and gaming is virtually non-existent.

That said, every HP notebook I've ever tried to use made me want to throw it in a river. They have the most asinine keyboard layouts I've ever seen on a notebook. Them and Toshiba are fucking failing at keyboards.

I highly, HIGHLY recommend you look at the keyboards carefully to ensure they don't have things like:

- shortened shift keys with other things in the missing space which is the part of the shift key you actually fucking hit.
- shortened enter keys with other things in the missing space
- some other key added between left ctrl and alt which makes you miss left alt or ctrl all the damned time.
- shortened backspace key

While I'm sure that you can get used to it, you shouldn't have to. Keyboard layouts that change are for people that touch type, not people that actually know where shit should be.

Personally, I'm a fan of dell's and their extended 3 year next business day repairs. Hard drives are so far the only thing a technician doesn't show up the next day to fix for you. Which makes sense since you probably want to manage that file transfer process yourself.

Posted by fanoom on Feb 02, 2010
I find it funny that you would specifically point a finger at Toshiba, granted my last experience with one was over 7 years ago, and I found it to be fantastic, fuck we are still using it in the back office. I'm sure they tried to improve it down the road which would only fuck it up.

But yes, best advice is, get hands on with some models, and pay very close attention to them.

Posted by Nerhael on Feb 02, 2010
There was 1-2 Toshiba's and HP's at the old office, and honestly, it would take me twice as long to do anything on them as I constantly hit the wrong fucking keys.

It made me very angry.

Posted by cosmicfish on Feb 03, 2010
Thanks for your passionate responses. I knew I could count on you guys :)

I am really considering the Avaio NW now. It seems pretty powerful and reasonably priced. I will definitely spend some time at Best Buy playing with them and testing the keyboards. That was a good point, I use hot keys all the time and it sucks when you have to re-program yourself to find the buttons in a different place.

There is an article I read yesterday about Windows 7 draining the battery faster. Maybe I should totally geek out and use Linux instead of Windows?

Posted by Nerhael on Feb 03, 2010
Personally, I almost never run without my laptop plugged in.

They generally don't run as well when in power saving mode, and really, most of the things you'd do with it unplugged don't go longer than an hour anyhow.

My 2 cents on that.

Posted by phduffy on Feb 03, 2010

I don't see how you could run with a laptop plugged in. How long is your extension cord? Or are you talking about on a treadmill or something?

Posted by bryan on Feb 03, 2010
Since you mentioned it...

Ubuntu is great as long as you don't want to play games and you don't mind the quirky implementation of flash.

I've only ever converted existing windows PCs, and in that case there are typically a few .conf file tweaks required, but google + support forums make it relatively easy.

I'm currently using an IBM think pad sl300 as it was one of the only models I could buy that would still ship with XP at the time (legacy programming tools FTW!!). I dual boot between XP (games and said legacy programming tool) and Ubuntu 8.04 (every day use and web dev).

I am happy with my thinkpad, but not happy enough to recommend anyone else buy it.

Posted by crux on Feb 04, 2010
Don't let the designer in you trick you into buying a Mac. The developer in you will regret it. A good PC will run Maya, Photoshop, Illustrator, etc just as well as any Mac. I'm no longer as anti-Apple as I used to be, but I still think the majority of their appeal to people is the Apple stickers that come with them that you can put on all your stuff so people know you have a Mac! Fuck yeah!

With regards to Windows 7; I'm not sure about software availability. I mean I'm sure you can buy all the programs you need for it already, but if you're obtaining them through methods other than a flat exchange of money for goods then I'm not sure where things are at out there. That being said, you might not have many OS options when purchasing a notebook. I don't know. Can you even buy something with XP on it anymore?

Posted by Nerhael on Feb 04, 2010
The only place I knew you could still get XP installed on a laptop was Dell's business line of notebooks. You could pay 60-100 bucks to have an 'XP downgrade', which would ship with XP installed, as well as the Windows Vista/7 CD/license.

Posted by cosmicfish on Feb 04, 2010
Definitely not going for a Mac right now. They are heavy handed and the only option to upgrade the ram is $600 for 8GB. Boo.

Might get a desktop one in the future when I have steady business...

I am very excited to work from home again. Thanks for your help.

Posted by Palmer on Feb 19, 2010
I upgraded my Macbook Ram myself. Easy peasy. Don't buy into their 'i need to buy Mac upgrades'. I also upgraded my hard drive to a 500gb in the laptop.

Wait, is this comment even going to appear in the WolfShack? This thread is quite anti-mac!

Posted by Nerhael on Mar 17, 2010
There is no difference between MAC and PC hardware generally, beyond look and feel and a stupid 1 button mouse. Oh, keyboards I guess.

But internals are now 100% the same. They gave up the CPU game a while ago.

It's their OS I can't stand, and the culture associated with them.

The MAC is a tool, it doesn't make you an artist.