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Forum posts for enivronmental madness

Swiffer
Posted by Nerhael on Nov 10, 2003
but you've seen those commercials, people that use the swiffer, and it's cousin, the swiffer wet-jet are just so happy to be cleaning!!!

The clean other peoples stuff it's just so fun. Who has that kind of fun with a mop or broom??? No one.

Falling on deaf ears for now...
Posted by mike on Nov 10, 2003
All good points, I will switch to tampons right away.

They won't even take our recycling at our place in Kitchener, that has to be almost illegal by now. If we want to recycle we have to walk it down to Brandon's place.

If you think there is a lot of formaldahyde and arsenic in coffins you should do a test on the contents. Embalming fluid is ridiculous stuff.

Something to keep in mind is that all industry is consumer driven. People are cheap, lazy, vain, self-absorbed etc... therefore until people start to THINK about what they are purchasing not much improvement will be seen. Remeber, John (or Jane) Q Public is a fucking moron.

That's just the way it is until it changes,
Mike Mighton

retort
Posted by cosmicfish on Nov 10, 2003
i have quite a bit of fun with a mop and broom, those swiffer people aren't just lazy, they lack creativity

also... i know the world is industry driven and all that, i just don't want to accept it. this is the tip of the iceberg, someday i will be so crazy no one will be able to talk to me, i will be naked in the jungle sleeping in trees...

hell in a handbasket
Posted by alltogethernow on Nov 10, 2003
hrm..

'disposable society'
this is a term that is making more and more sense..
back in the good ol' days they really DID build things to last...
weeeeellll ... more so than they do today...

for example:
a good friend of my brother's has an RCA stereo he bought in 1975 which still works like new.. he had a problem with it once.. but had it REPAIRED .. i have a stereo i received as a gift last year.. (also RCA)
and about 4 months after christmas it stopped working do i even think about getting it repaired? no.. the cost to have it fixed is prohibitive.. it would be a better idea to just throw it out and buy a new one..

disposable stereos
disposable cds
disposable printers (as a new printer often costs slightly more than an ink cartridge... sometimes less)
disposable diapers (i am all for this one.. )
etc
etc


Not that bad
Posted by phduffy on Nov 10, 2003
Just so everyone knows, the environment is pretty much as good as it's been in like 100 years. No need to panic, things are getting better. Now, they could be better still, but they're pretty good right now.

Not that bad
Posted by phduffy on Nov 10, 2003
Just so everyone knows, the environment is pretty much as good as it's been in like 100 years. No need to panic, things are getting better. Now, they could be better still, but they're pretty good right now.

and furthermore.....
Posted by alltogethernow on Nov 10, 2003
do you think people are getting a little bit crazy with the cleaning?

now i am not saying it is a bad idea to keep your house/apt/adobe shack/any dwelling clean.. but i think there is a point where you are taking things overboard...

when did it become important that every microbe of dust be isolated and disposed of... ?

aren't sweeping and vaccuuming enough.... ?
i mean you sweep flat surfaces and vaccuum the carpet..
i don't recall contracting horrible diseases as a child from the dust bunnies that were propagating under my bed...

and then there's teeth...

jesus god... from watching commercials today it would seem that if you have less that bleach-sparkling uber-white teeth you will lose your job, family and friends very quickly.. perhaps placed in a camp..

duffy duffy duffy
Posted by alltogethernow on Nov 10, 2003
sure kids!
uncle duffy says the environment is 'not that bad'

so please continue.. and encourage others to continue the following great environmentally friendly practices...

- continue to use oil products for just about everything..

- drill for oil anywhere you can find it, including ecologically sensitive places ie: alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

- buy giagantic trucks that are completely unnecessary, have horrible mileage but show off your paycheck (or ability to gain large amounts of credit)

- nuke(japan)/biologically attack(korea)/de-foliate(vietnam) or any countries that seem to be threatening you. (oh sweet god i almost forgot.. you don't even need a good reason to set of a nuke, pakistan and india are setting them off all the time.. for 'testing'... testing of what i am not sure, i could tell them on good authority that technically speaking, nukes still 'blow up real good'

- continue to dump every conceivable substance in the worlds great rivers (dip in the Ganges or Euphrates anyone?)

just to name a few...

now all these things have happened in the last 100 years.. and you are trying to tell me that none of them have adversly affected our environment?.... i call bullshit to that

hey wait!
Posted by alltogethernow on Nov 10, 2003
maybe this will all work out...

we can dig open pit mines take all the resources we need..
and then bury all our trash in those same mines...

maybe couple hundred years from now when our decendants really need it they can dig up our old crap and use it to make new crap.. !

just a thought.. i ain't no scientist

for the record
Posted by Numinous on Nov 10, 2003
I once was asked at the store "When I use the mop... where does the water go?." Thats no joke people.... some people out there dont know how to use a mop......

I sold the lady a swifter.

Now this swinging naked in the jungle.... would that be like rainforrest jungle or zoo behind bars people can sit and stare type jungle?...

Hey, let's use scare mongering!
Posted by phduffy on Nov 10, 2003
The environment is not as bad as it used to be. Acid rain is down, emissions are down, food is safer, etc. I'm not sure why I'm even commenting, since it's obvious that no one will listen, but it's true. Here is a link to a book about it:
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/books/0140154515/reviews/ref=cm_rev_more_2/701-0764707-7947516

I had more to say, but I'm not going to bother.

Oh yeah
Posted by phduffy on Nov 10, 2003
If you're going to put something I said in quotes, make sure that I actually said it. This should be pretty easy, since it's 2 posts above what you were going to post.
Also, please stop the parade of ignorance where you imply that I suggested we should use oil products and the rest of that.

Are you trying to tell me that the environment was worse than it used to be? Tell you what, I may have overspoke originally. I'll revise my coment and say that things are way better than they were 30 years ago. If you want to post something that disagrees with that, I call ignorance to that.

SUVs are bad though
Posted by phduffy on Nov 10, 2003
I was going to post an opinion piece about how everyone should find at least 3 things that they can support. One of mine was going to be to never purchase an SUV. Here's why:
In the early 80's, American Motors was going out of business, so they asked the government to help them out a bit. The government did this by changing the rules for AE's number one produce, the Jeep. The rules were changed so that the Jeep no longer had to follow the same fuel efficieny guidelines as cars.
However, when the other companies found out about this, they got the rules changed for all vehicles of that class. Through time this class has basically been expanded to include all truck and SUVs, which is why they're bad. It's not that the auto makers can't build an engine that's efficient for vehicles of that size, they can. Prime examples are big Cadillacs, some station wagons, and vans. But, since they're not forced to, they don't.
Furthermore, for reasons I don't really understand, SUVs were exempted from rules that govern what you can put on your car. The grills that are put on many SUVs are illegal on cars, because they kill people. If you're in an accident in an SUV you're more likely to die than in any other vehicle segment except for sub compact cars (ie Dodge Neon) and more likely to kill someone else than in any other vehicle.
So those are reasons not to buy one. Another one has to do with gas consumption. Alot of the gas that we buy comes from the middle east. Many of those countries hate us (Westerners) and are aggresive against us. As long as we depend on them for oil, we have to remain on friendly terms with administrations that basically hate us.
So, bottom line is this: Don't drive an SUV. Try to avoid trucks. Vans are okay though, they didn't get exempted.

delicious reusable pads
Posted by Katie on Nov 10, 2003
just in case any of the girls (or guys) are wondering what their options are for environmentally friendly tampons and pads, here is a little rundown:

WARNING: I use scary technical terms here.

reusable pads: just like in the old days, you use little pieces of material, usually flannel. Only these days, they have these wonderful new fangled scrap flannel "holders'". They snap into place just where a pad usually has adhesive. Now I have never tried one myself, but my environmentalist sister used them for many years, until she moved on to the more up to date version. Grossness factor: in order to be reusable, you would have to take your flannels and wash them after each usage.

the Keeper: oh fun oh fun. It looks like an upside down, standard egg cup, made of natural rubber. Insert it directly into your tampon receptacle (ie. vagina) and it collects and keeeeps the blood and other things that your uterus is sloughing off. And yes, my sister did buy me a Keeper for my 17th birthday. Grossness factor: I couldn't really handle the thought of having to pull it out and dump the collected fluids in the toilet, and so never used it.

the modern version of the keeper: slightly more user friendly, it uses latex rubber, much thinner and comfortable than the natural thick rubber used in the keeper. Set up more like a diaphragm, it is very flexible and I would imagine easier to insert. Still the same grossness factor though. Really, what if ift spills?

And finally for the non environmentally fixated, but just wanting to do a good thing.: the unbleached and recycled cotton tampons. I'm sure you can all imagine why they are good for both the body and the environment. But like everything else that is good for the environment, it is more expensive than your regular option, and much harder to find. Still, potentially worth it.

Now. If anyone wants to argue ME over these detailed descriptions, feel free. I could use a bit of a spat.

You WIN!
Posted by alltogethernow on Nov 10, 2003
I checked out that book..
and here is the funny thing

I know of Gregg Easterbrook..
I watch him on PBS sometimes...

and even respect him.. so you got me on that one..
I think the funny thing is that I think we actually agree on most of this shit.. just argue about the fine points...

I'll get you next time!
*shakes fist*

Cool
Posted by phduffy on Nov 11, 2003
Okay, thought I was maybe getting a big too heated for a second there.
Gregg Easterbrook is crazy (in a good way). He's written a book about the environment, one about spirituality, and two novels. He's a contributing editor for the New Republic and the Atlantic Monthly, has the easterblogg, occaisionally contributes to Wired magazine. He also writes the best football column around, Tuesday Morning Quarterback, which is how I discovered him.

You may remember that in a recent advice I said that a writer I like made anti semitic remarks. It was Easterbrook. He apologized, and took the somewhat unusual step of contacting his number one critic and asking him how he could fix things. He made the comments on the easterblogg, but got fired from ESPN. However, TMQ is returning tomorrow.

sucess...
Posted by cosmicfish on Nov 11, 2003
re: disposable everything, blarg,

i don't like the idea of disposable diapers. when people go back and examine old landfills, disposable diapers make up the bulk of it. however, i would probably be singing a different tune if i had to change six diapers a day.

re: no one listening to paul.

i was listening. i agree that people are more aware then they used to be and the government may be doing more. i just think we have to keep bringing it up and talking about it. i am so happy there were so many replys to the original post. everyone pat yourself on the back for being enviromentally conscientious!